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I am a little amused. I do occasionally read GEN fics, though only if I've had them reccomended to me. But, to get back on track, I've noticed something that deeply disturbs me *g* -- why is it, that slashers label their fics with so much info, but people who write HET seem to complete ignore this little service? I mean, in the beginning, I did try to read GEN on my own, but I think what completely turned me off many of the archives was that a lot of the fics were in fact HET... And I'd like to say, if I go looking for GEN fic, it's not because I'm interested in a pairing of any kind...

So... why? Why is it that some 'shippers/hetters will go ballistic if you, as a slasher, screw up your labelling, but it's okay to do so if you write HET? Me thinks me prefers slashers... at least I can skim the info and decide whether or not I want to read the story...

Second thing... yesterday I did a little sketch -- it was done as an equivellant to doing a 10-15 minute fic challenge, but while the outcome was okay, I ended up curling up in my bed last night, with a slightly larger sketchbook...

Okay, so I couldn't sleep last night after I'd logged off LOL
Go to bed, close my eyes and ZING! I can't sleep... -- out comes the sketchbook *g* So it's basically the same idea, though slightly better done ^_~ (A4 sized paper is a bit easier to work with than A5 LOL)

::runs around trying to get organized::
Gonna go to

goddessindia's place tonight, have fun, eat, goof around and watch videos -- ain't life grand?

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First, I totally second what you said. It's something that never ends to piss me off. Het fics labelled Gen fics without even the slightest hint of a het pairing is absolutely okay, and doesn't bother anyone. I got scorched pretty badly by some stories like that, no wonder I prefer to stick to the slash category! At least, WYSIWYG usually.

We've been conditioned to label and put warnings, and I think it's a good thing- it's after all pretty respectful for those who wouldn't want to read slash, and I'm all for that. I wish hetters thought of doing us the same courtesy.

Gen is Gen, it's there's a het pairing involved in the main storyline it's Het- I mean, how complicated is that? Also, some gen stories only *mention* a same sex pairing, and suddenly the writer has to put a warning about that as well, or the story is going to be labelled slash, even thought it's *not* the primary plot, or even main characters- it's almost offensive, if you think of it *sigh*

Second, I *love* your sketch! I have a thing for naked!Daniel with a fully clothed or partially clothed!Jack. I think the sight is pretty erotic *g*

::laughs::
Oh yeah, I hear ya.
I mean, I know people who write het, I am friends with some of them -- I have no problem whatsoever with het... as long as it's labelled that way...

Maybe that's why I tend to be rude and obnoxious towards 'shippers? Because the ones I know, who know me, well, I'm used to being sarcastic and rude around them -- they can take it -- I've made sure they have a thick hide *g* -- maybe that's why I can come across as being bitchy sometimes ^_~ (::coughs:: that and the fact that Danish humour is beyond most Americans' ability to comprehend)

And yeah, partially clothed Jack is one of my favs as well *g* -- full-fledged nudity can be less sexy than partially clothed *eg*

I absolutely agree about the labeling.
There's a very obvious double standard about what constitutes gen.

Sometimes this confusion about what is or isn't ship works in the other direction too; Some ship-minded authors will write a gen fic where nobody has any romantic or carnal thoughts about anybody else and then label it J/S UST, because, you know, if they're not shagging it must be UST. Now that really bugs me.

Nice piccie! ;-)

then label it J/S UST, because, you know, if they're not shagging it must be UST.
LOL

Now, on THAT I do agree. And I've seen it -- and I won't read it -- unless of course it's a fic reccomended to me. And yes, it bugs me too, since to me, GEN is what I see on the screen, pairing up Jack and Sam, that's HET -- because it's not cannon *g* -- no inter-team romantic/sexual relationships is cannon -- be it m/f, m/m or f/f -- apart from the eyecandy LOL I do watch the show for the team... -- just because I'm a slasher at heart, doesn't mean I can't enjoy a well-written episode or a well-written GEN fic

Hetters/'shippers should really read such conversations -- I think they'd have to eventually agree that slashers aren't narrow minded -- we simply want to have the choice -- be it on-screen or off (we're really not trying to take over the world ^_~)

::hands over piccie::
Thank you.
It seems these sketches make people smile, so who am I refuse to help with that? *g*

we're really not trying to take over the world ^_~

we're not?! damn, I'm not getting my memos again... :>

I wonder if this thing is particular to Stargate fandom; despite my dislike for generalizations, there seem to be some fandom-specific patterns of behavior; or maybe it is about frequenting the "right lists" or communities?
ever since I discovered slash, I also discovered the good slash goldmines; it's true that when I wanted genfic, I had a hard time finding it; it's still the slash authors whose genfic (if any) I'll read, because they're not likely to sneak any 'shippy innuendos.

in the PotC fandom, I've never seen any misleading fic;
but still, sometimes I think things have gone too far - when people feel the need to write (after having clearly labeled the "pairing" section) in huge bolded letters: "Warning! HET!"
it's not plague, after all ;)

but, on to the pretty things: it seems that I, like everybody else, have discovered a fetish for naked vs. semi-clothed partner :>
(and somehow Daniel is the one who needs to discard his clothes, even though I favor top!Daniel and the semi-clothed one is usually the top)
nice image, keep them coming :D (um... no puns were intended...)

No puns intended? riiiiight *g*

RE: Taking over the world
I'm just trying to calm the 'shippers down ^_~ -- your memo's on the way...

And yes, it IS very fandom specific. This is my 4th or 5th fandom and it's by far the one in which I've seen the most labelling fights.

You're right, HET is not a plague, and I'm fine with putting it into the subject line on the lists and putting it in the header -- there doesn't have to be a huge warning sign.

In the end the only really annoying thing is, to sit down and read half a gen-fic that turns out to be a het-fic instead *g* -- and I'm sure the 'shippers feel the same way about slash.

Ooo, it's like you read my mind! Was discussing pretty much this subject with

nel_ani just the other day. And yeah, it sucks.

But then a lot of things get labelled incorrectly in this fandom. There are those who believe that fics where Sam and Jack interact in any greater relationship than CO/subordinate should instantly be labelled ship. That one always makes me laugh.

Ooo! And let's not forget entire websites that claim to be about everyone but are only about one person ;)

::laughs::
Oh yeah, I think we struck a chord there *g*

I think that's why I try to label everything on my website, have an index page that warns of the content -- That way at least I can laugh at people who flame me for my hobbie ^_~

And yes -- labelling is an art *g* -- sometimes it goes beyond what is necessary -- but I guess, better safe than sorry?

It actually saddens me that I might be mission out on some good GENfics because they're wrongly labelled as Jack/Sam (or any other m/f pairing for that matter)

It actually saddens me that I might be mission out on some good GENfics because they're wrongly labelled as Jack/Sam (or any other m/f pairing for that matter)

I know exactly what you mean.

Gen fic on Helio is (often) Jack/Sam. And lo, the slashers shall bitch

Gen fic on stargatefan.com is (often) Jack/Daniel. And yes, shippers bitch about it.

*nods*

Heh- I knew there was a reason I loved stargatefan.

::laughs::
Oh yeah -- the joy of archives *g*

But daaarling, you know that Sam and Jack is, like, OTP (OMGtheirloveissopure!) since, like, they have soooo much chemistry on screen, and it's a het pairing, too! So of course it doesn't need a warning, since, like, everyone loves het!1

(/sarcasm)

But yeah. I'm originally from the X-Men comic verse, and they never seemed to have those issues there - probably because there are so many characters that gen fic doen't automatically mean Jean/Scott. With so many readers who all had their own ideas about the OTP, people learned to label the fics... most of the time -.-

Stargate... yeah >.< I've lost most of my interest in reading gen fics since most of them turn out to have some element of Sam/Jack or Sam/Daniel in them after all, and really, all I wanted to read was some, believeable interaction between the four (of the non-kinky kind). Besides, slashers get flamed if they forget to mark their story as such, while few complain about the gen fic that turned out to be het after all. That probably had a hand in it, too ^^

Exactly -- see, I was in X-men (comic-verse) before I got into Stargate... and I know what you mean.

And yes, my bad -- of course since heterosexuality is THE thing, I shouldn't go and expect to be warned against it...

::laughs::

And yes, I like a well-written team-fic -- but I've burned my eyes a few times *g*

I've seen the argument that since Sam/Jack is ::cough:: *canon* that any fic with them paired up can be classified as Gen. WTF??

I still don't get the whole thing about them being canon. I've seen Sam kiss Jack while under the influence of an alien disease. I've seen him admit to 'feeling more than he should' which could be interpreted a few different ways. I've seen Jack kiss Sam when he knew damn well that she wouldn't remember it and I've seen her fantasize about fantasizing about kissing him.

Can someone please point me to where the 'relationship' is in any of that?

Sorry, wrong rant.//

I think any time you wander into romantic relationship territory in a fic it should be labled het or slash. IMHO, Gen means that it's a non-romance story. It can be Action/Adventure or character development, but it's still not about how much someone wants to shag someone else.

Sorry, forgot...another great pic!!

::giggles::
Thank you!

you know, it you do a few more of these pictures, we could put them all togther and view them as a high speed slide show on the screen and VOILA - instant porn flick.

And yes - I HAVE already tried it with the two you posted!!!!

LMAO!! That's sooo funny Nicci. I never would have thought of that. This is what I love about slash sibs...they have the most creative minds. And I get to benefit from them.

Hehehe - creative is my middle name

That's so much nicer than Michele.

::points at Nicci::
That woman is SERIOUSLY twisted

And why, yes -- we're a very creative bunch of people -- isn't it great? ^_~

ROFL
Nicci!!
::laughing too hard to speak::

Hi Xim - where ya been? Missed you yesterday - and it was such a squeeee filled day!

Yep... The kiss is better on this one.

hehe, thank you kindly
^_~
Don't know why, but it's easier to do while I'm watching TV *g*

you are so talented!!!

Oh geez...
*^_^*

Thanks *g*

Sorry, wrong rant

::laughs::
Oh yeah -- you're preaching to the choir here ^_�

And yes, GEN is what it would be possible to see on screen, anything else is pure speculation and should be marked with the genre.

And let's face it, shagging your 2iC is just not gonna be cannon.
::prepares to kill an episode writer or two::

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